Thursday, August 18, 2005

Batman vs. Superman - The polls are closed.

At the time of this posting the final poll results were:

14 - Batman all the way
9 - Superman by a mile
5 - Batman but just barely
1 - Superman by a hair
0 - Fight to a draw
1 - Both would die

Ok, if you take into a account that Jennifer #2 stuffed the ballot box for Batman this came out very close, but still in Batman's favor. To be honest I'm surprised, I thought you would have taken the Man of Steel. Well, done and I agree with you, I think it would be Batman.

The 4 Reasons I think Batman would win:

1) Superman has a known weakness. - Kyrptonite turns Superman into a weakling. He has trouble standing in it's presence. The movies and comics have made it clear that there is enough of this "rare" stuff around to get your hands on if you've got the time or the cash. Batman has both. Batman's only weakness is the possibility that Superman could bend him into a pretzel, but he'd have to get his hands on him.

2) Batman has all the toys. - This is an extension of point one. Batman has stuff for all occasions. In fact, he keeps some kyptonite in his Batcave, he does this to keep it out of enemy hands and in case Superman goes AWOL again. Ryan posted that Batman was just a normal guy with gadgets and that Superman could get gadgets too then he'd win. But this isn't really true. Bruce Wayne developed, invented and paid millions of dollars for those gadgets. Kalel shows none of that technical prowess, and definitely doesn't have the cash on a newspaperman's salary.

3) The Training Factor - Superman was that guy in high school you hated because he got all A's and never had to study, it all came naturally to him. Batman was the guy who busted his hump getting ready for a term paper. Superman has never had to train to defeat an enemy, in fact the concept of training his powers is completely foreign to him. The only mention of it I can remember is from Action Comics where it mentions he had to train himself to slow down over populated areas to avoid a sonic boom when flying. But he's defeated every enemy with ease.

Batman on the other hand has prepared for all contingencies. He has a large database on all supervillans, with tactics for each. When there became a dangerous trend of "good guys" from the Justice League occasionally switching sides, he starting keeping records on heroes. (They occasionally switched because of magical coercion, mental control, alternate reality versions and just going bad.) So if you had a file on Superman what would you need, kyptonite.

4) Documentation
If you've only seen the movies and old TV shows you may not know these two have tangled a number of times. Usually the comic writers call it a draw because of the popularity of these two character, but occasionally we see a clear winner.

First, the handful of fights to a draw. What should this tell you? It tells me Batman won't be roasted to a crisp in the first 5 seconds. Also it shows that Batman could survive a few blows from Superman (although recently in OMAC Project they fought and Batman spent a week in intensive care). Batman knows Superman's fighting style and can dodge his punches and even his heat vision (also the heat vision is usually a last resort as it tends to drain Kalel). Now that we have allowed for the possibility of Batman not being paste we give him time react and counter attack.

Second, the fights that were not to a draw, Batman won. In the popular "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns" Batman gave Superman the beating of a lifetime. (This comic was so cool it appeared on the OC.) In this fight Superman crashes through a hundred feet of rock to try and surprise Bruce in his Batcave. Only to find the proximity alarms have given time for Batman to don his Kryptonite-Brass-Knuckles.

Ok, there it is as clearly as possible. Batman would win. Feel free to offer rebuttals as a comment.

6 Comments:

At 2:44 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, right. And the Rangers are going to win the World Series. Such a dreamworld you Batheads live in. Superman would destroy all the Prozac in the world and leave the Dark Knight defenseless.

 
At 8:23 AM, Blogger nairb said...

If you take things at first glance surely you have to say Batman because of the kryptonite thing. The problem is, any most people don't realize this, kryptonite is not the easiest stuff to get your hands on. Sure Lex Luther did it in Superman I, so it looks easy. Wake up people that was only a movie. I seriously doubt that security is that easily defeated at places protecting the rare fragment on a long ago blown up planet. Was this fight even planned for or did they meet at some crime scene and got fed up with each others stepping on the others turf. This would imply Batman would have no time to consider finding kryptonite in the first place.

Question: Why is piece of rock from his home galaxy so defeating to Superman. It not like it just puts him on the same playing field as us humans. It starts sucking the life right out of him. Crazy stuff!!

 
At 11:17 AM, Blogger Trey Laminack said...

Saying "it's only a movie" in this debate is kind of sad. I've based my argument on the Comics. In which Batman has gotten his hands on kyrptonite a couple of time. He keeps it handy. Sadly you are right, the idea of getting kryptonite has become too easy. Lex has done it, he's tried to sythesize it. Other villians also tend to get their hands on it occasionally. If they can do it, Batman can. In fact, he got his from the Black Skull an underword mob boss type.

To answer your kryptonite question Brian... Superman's powers are derived from his alien physiology's reaction to the Earth's Yellow Sun, which has different radiation than the Red Sun of Krypton. So, Kyrptonite is an element from Kyrpton that retains its Red Sun's radiation. This reduces Superman to less than perfect as Earth's gravity is stronger than that of Krypton. His body can't cope with it.

Hey Man... you made me LOL big time with Superman's prozac tactic. I had no idea Superman was a scientologist.

 
At 12:49 PM, Blogger nairb said...

OK you sucked me into this. Acccording to http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/krypton.php the distance fromEarth to Krypton is ~0.317 light years. That is quite a distance. Imagine exploding a watermelon over distance of a 10 miles. How much of the watermelon would end up at any one point along the 10 radius? There seems to be alot of kryptonite running around on this one planet for people to get a hold of. At least in Superman I, there was only one piece. (but that was a movie). The notion that his home planet was somehow toxic to he sounds crazy. Also on the site http://theages.superman.ws/Encyclopaedia/kryptonite.php we find there are many types of kryptonite and three of them are toxic to SM. Hopefully Batman get s the wrong one.


The same site describes planet krypton a giant. And having a gravitational pull much greater that earth. This is why SM can fly etc. here on earth. FOr this reason the gravitational expression you made just can't fit.

 
At 1:35 PM, Blogger Trey Laminack said...

Concerning Kyrtonite, there are hundreds of inhabited worlds in the DC universe and space travel is a common occurance. Knowing where Krypton exploded you could easily track down some fragments in space given that they travel slower than light speed and space ships travel much faster.

Also, don't worry about the math of it making it here. The comics and movies have made it clear that it is present and accounted for. That's like arguing how a coconut made it to Mercia, when it clearly made it there somehow.

It is strange that it is toxic. I imagine that it only became so after the explosion of the planet. Or perhaps it is not toxic it only returns him to "normal" and he couldn't survive in earths atmosphere if he were normal.

I think it is toxic because without it Superman is unbeatable and therefore very boring. There is no conflict. He bets everything? Boring. He is boring enough as it is with his one obscure weakness.

Good links though.

 
At 10:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Although Batman MAY win, he would only win because Superman is so incredibly trusting. I think, but don't quote me on this, that Superman gave Batman th Kryptonit in case he ever got out of control.

 

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